Fr Joseph Iannuzzi, we need answers, NOW. The two incorporated entities you refer to DO NOT EXIST*.

*According to (1) OpenCorporates.com which searches for all business entities (including not-for-profits) internationally in 307 jurisdictions, (2) the IRS Tax Exempt Organisation Search, (3) The Official EU Business Register Search (includes not-for-profits), (4) The European Union Transparency Register (includes not-for-profits), (5) the official data from the Italian Chambers of Commerce at https://italianbusinessregister.it/en/home (includes not-for-profits), (6) Advanced UK Company Search at https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/advanced-search (includes not-for-profits), (7) ABN (Australian Business Number) look up (includes not-for-profits), (8) Canada’s Business Registeries (includes not-for-profits). The two incorporated entities in question are The Divine Fiat Incorporated and Missionaries of the Holy Trinity Incorporated.

Note that OpenCorporates covers all the other searches anyway; the other searches are double-checks, even triple-checks.

Note that there is one The Divine Fiat Inc in Australia. We will get to that.

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I’ll get to the point. The first thing you need to know is that there are at least two versions of an uploaded pdf document on the “International Cenacle of Divine Will Instructors”. This document (two or more versions) was posted on www.ltdw.org, the website of Fr Joseph Iannuzzi. After we look at the changes made to the document we’ll look at the status of the two incorporated entities mentioned in the later version of the document: The Divine Fiat Inc. and Missionaries of the Holy Trinity Inc.

First, let’s look at a past version of a pdf that has been posted to www.ltdw.org. This “capture” of the website by web.archive.org was taken on April 15, 2024 (look in the top right hand corner).

https://web.archive.org/web/20240415113209/https://www.ltdw.org/uploads/2/5/1/5/25153387/international_cenacle_of_divine_will_instructors.pdf

On page 2 it says (I’ve added bold for emphasis):

By virtue of the Vatican’s appreciation of the duty, ministry and personal responsibility of the individual theologian, and of the profound need of the faithful, there has been established the “International Cenacle of Divine Will Instructors,” comprised of Church-qualified Catholic theologians, priests and laity. This initiative offers a timely response to the clarion cry of the thousands of Christians worldwide who have requested a unified and sound theological presentation on Luisa’s writings.

Scroll down to page 3 and read the middle paragraph, especially the first sentence. The parts in blue change between the two versions of the document.

Established under the auspices of an international incorporation statues, bylaws and articles of incorporation, the “International Cenacle of Divine Will Instructors” remains at the service of the Church to help ensure, through theological contributions and personal witness, sound instructions on Luisa’s writings, several of which enjoy multiple Magisterial seals of approbation, the Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat. To this end the International Cenacle has welcomed the Doctor of Sacred Theology of the Pontifical University of Rome who has translated Luisa’s writings contained in his approved doctoral dissertation, Fr. J.L. Iannuzzi, STL, S.Th.D. His expertise in the fields of dogmatic and spiritual theology will help enrich priests and laity alike. At present the International Cenacle of Divine Will Instructors has grown to approximately 3,000 members and 150 priests, all of whom foster a deep desire of fidelity to the Magisterium and of obedience to Church authorities. At this juncture we presently have several Church-qualified theologians and priests from various countries who have unified their time and talents to offer us instructions, but no lay instructors thus far. We foresee “qualified” lay instructors who are educated by the International Cenacle theologians and priests in Magisterial teachings and in Luisa’s doctrines and who are elected by the board. These will be sent out to teach the Good News throughout the world with translators at their disposal.

On page 4:

We maintain that upholding the purity of the doctrine contained in Luisa’s prophetic revelations is not limited to promoting them, but it extends to exemplifying them in action through one’s personal witness.

(I won’t comment on this quote—not in this post).

On page 5:

More information will follow.

International Cenacle of Divine Will Instructors

March 7, 2024.

We turn now to a later version of the document, uploaded no later than August 31, 2024.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240831074629/https://www.ltdw.org/uploads/2/5/1/5/25153387/international_cenacle_of_divine_will_instructors.4.17.2024.pdf

The passage already quoted from page 2 remains the same. There is a significant change in the middle paragraph on page 3, however. Here is the first sentence of the new middle paragraph:

In service agreement with and pursuant to art. 8 of the Constitution of The Divine Fiat Inc. and to chapter 4 of the Missionaries of the Holy Trinity Inc. Statutes, the “International Cenacle of Divine Will Instructors” remains at the service of the Church to help ensure, through theological contributions and personal witness, sound instructions on Luisa’s writings, several of which enjoy multiple Magisterial seals of approbation, the Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat.

Compare this to the first sentence in the April 15, 2024 version:

Established under the auspices of an international incorporation statues, bylaws and articles of incorporation, the “International Cenacle of Divine Will Instructors” remains at the service of the Church to help ensure, through theological contributions and personal witness, sound instructions on Luisa’s writings, several of which enjoy multiple Magisterial seals of approbation, the Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat.

Established under the auspices of an international incorporation statues, bylaws and articles of incorporation” has been replaced with “In service agreement with and pursuant to art. 8 of the Constitution of The Divine Fiat Inc. and to chapter 4 of the Missionaries of the Holy Trinity Inc. Statutes”.

From no later than August 31, 2024, then, this official document referred to two incorporated entities (presumably not-for-profit): The Divine Fiat Inc. and Missionaries of the Holy Trinity Inc. The current (March 9, 2025) version of the document remains the same as the August 31, 2024 version.

Let’s turn now to the very end of the document in the August 31, 2024 version (page 5).

Note that the highlights and different coloured texts are there in the uploaded document. I simply took a screen shot of the document “as is”.

The document ends as follows:

International Cenacle of Divine Will Instructors

The Divine Fiat Incorporation

March 7, 2024

My own info: (DFI arts. 3; 4; service agreement required; contract for a legal arrangement).

The very last sentence (“My own info …”) is not my note or my addition. It is there in the document! The two lines in blue are the two added lines. Compare with the previous version of April 15, 2024:

More information will follow.

International Cenacle of Divine Will Instructors

March 7, 2024.

To repeat, the current uploaded version of the document (at March 9, 2025) is no different to the one uploaded no later than August 31, 2024.

There are a few concerning things about these changes.

First, both of the documents are officially dated “March 7, 2024”, despite the fact that two legally significant alterations were made to the document well after March 7.

Second, the presence of a “note to self”—a reminder that a service agreement is still required, along with a contract for a legal arrangement for the Divine Fiat Incorporation. Was this “note to self” accidentally included in the uploaded document? Did someone upload the wrong version of the document, or forget to delete the note? What’s going on here?

Third, the fact that NO further information is given (not even in the footnotes) about the two incorporated entities mentioned: The Divine Fiat Inc. and the Missionaries of the Holy Trinity Inc. (Who are the directors? Who is on the board? Where can we find out further information?) The reader is not even told which country the incorporated entities belong to. Worst of all, there is no identifying business entity or not-for-profit number given. Why the secrecy?

At this point it is only natural to ask: Do these entities even exist? I will return to that question. It is DECISIVE in this post.

What IS this International Cenacle of Divine Will Instructors?

I have similar concerns about this enigmatic “International Cenacle of Divine Will Instructors”. No further information is provided in the document (not even in the footnotes). Who are these approximately “3,000 members and 150 priests”? Is there a website or an email by which we can get further information? Can we at least have the name of these priests and their locations? Do one or both of the incorporated entities oversee the Cenacle? What is the legal relationship between the three entities? What is the relationship between Fr Iannuzzi and each of the three entities? Who is the “we” who is speaking in the document? It is Fr Iannuzzi alone? Or is there an official board who signed off on the document—a board that does not reduce to one person, Fr Iannuzzi? If so, who are these board members? What is the structure of the Cenacle? Does it receive money? What is done with the received money? Is there documentation showing how the money is used? Is the Cenacle registered as a non-for-profit? In which country? (The same questions, of course, should be raised for The Divine Fiat Inc. and Missionaries of the Holy Trinity Inc.) Again, why the secrecy?

On page 3 it is written: “To this end the International Cenacle has welcomed the Doctor of Sacred Theology of the Pontifical University of Rome who has translated Luisa’s writings contained in his approved doctoral dissertation, Fr. J.L. Iannuzzi, STL, S.Th.D.” So, was there a board who signed off on this acceptance/inclusion/welcoming of Fr Iannuzzi into the Cenacle? Was there a vote? Who exactly did the welcoming? Did Fr Iannuzzi, speaking on behalf of the International Cenacle, officially welcome himself into the International Cenacle? Did he perform some ceremony in the privacy of his own home to welcome himself into the Cenacle? Did he present himself with a document and drink a glass of champagne to himself? What exactly happened? How does it all operate? Where are the founding documents, the rules, minutes of meetings, and so forth? Once again, why the secrecy?

THE DIVINE FIAT INC. and THE MISSIONARIES OF THE HOLY TRINITY INC. apparently DO NOT EXIST!

I went to https://opencorporates.com/ and signed up for a free account. Anyone can do this, along as you aren’t working for a corporation, company, government department or regulatory authority (see terms of use here):

OpenCorporates Ltd is a public-benefit company whose mission is to make company data more accessible, for the benefit of society.  We do this by making company data available via our websites, our API, and our other data products (together, “OpenCorporates”). We want you to use our data, for a public purpose, for journalism, for academic research, and also commercially, however, subject to these Terms of Use as set forth below (the “Terms”). 

We offer free access to our company data through this website to the general public (for personal use only and not for the benefit of a corporation or company), and in addition, our other data products to: journalists, NGOs and academics who are conducting public benefit research (each a “Permitted User”). For the avoidance of doubt, financial institutions, corporations, government departments and regulatory authorities are not Permitted Users.  If you are not sure whether or not you qualify as a Permitted User, please contact us. Determination as to whether you or your organisation is deemed a Permitted User is in our sole discretion ...  

From the “purpose” page of opencorporates:

Legal entities are the atomic elements behind the entire business world – and increasingly every other part of our lives too.

How many contracts did you enter into this week — either explicitly or by agreeing to an end-user license agreement, or by installing an app on your phone?

Each of those contracts was with something with legal personality – almost always a "legal entity". 

Legal entities are also the conduits for all large-scale criminal activity, from enabling corruption, organized crime and money laundering to their use in fraud, tax evasion and undermining democratic institutions.

OpenCorporates was conceived to make this underlying dataset more visible, more accessible and more usable – for everyone, from journalists to banks, citizens to corporations, NGOs to law enforcement.

OpenCorporates was founded in 2010 to transform corporate transparency, specifically by making legal-entity data more accessible, more usable, and better quality too.

This isn’t just hyperbole; it’s written into our articles of association, and so we have a legal obligation to do it. We're also a certified B Corp, recognised for our high standards of performance, accountability, and transparency.

Legal entities are the fundamental structures that underpin the entire business world, and in a highly connected digital world, the whole of society too. 

Which is why it’s vital that the data that defines them – their  existence, ownership, activities and beneficiaries – is not just public, but connected in a single unified dataset, available for all.

For over 10 years we have lead the cause for open data. We've built a data platform to provide a single unified view of the company universe. Data that’s trusted, rich and open to all. Here are a few highlights.

Here is a stack of 6 screen shots to give you an idea of how prestigious, widely-used, and internationally-recognised OpenCorporates is:

This is what Wikipedia says in its entry on OpenCorporates :


OpenCorporates is a website that shares data on corporations under the copyleft Open Database License. The company, OpenCorporates Ltd,[b][3] was incorporated on 18 December 2010[2] by Chris Taggart and Rob McKinnon, and the website was officially launched on 20th.[4]

Data is sourced from national business registries in 140 jurisdictions, and presented in a standardised form. Collected data comprises the name of the entity, date of incorporation, registered addresses, and the names of directors. Some data, such as the ownership structure, is contributed by users.[5][6]

In 2011, the site won third place in the Open Data Challenge.[7] Vice President of the European Commission Neelie Kroes said the site "is the kind of resource the (Digital) Single Market needs and it is encouraging to see that it is being built."[8] The project was represented on the European Union's Core Vocabularies Working Group's Core Business Task Force.[9]

In early 2012, the project was appointed to the Financial Stability Board's advisory panel on a Legal Entity Identification for Financial Contracts.[10]

In July 2015, OpenCorporates was a finalist in both the Business and Publisher categories at the Open Data Institute Awards.[11] It was announced as the winner of the Open Data Business Award due to work with promoting data transparency in the corporate sector.[12]

The service has been used to study public procurement data,[13] online hiring market,[14] to visualize and analyze company data,[15][16][17] to analyze tax havens, and illicit activities of companies.[18]

Searching for DIVINE FIAT INC.

Here is everything that turns up when “DIVINE FIAT” is put in the search bar for Companies in all 307 jurisdications around the world (see here for the list of jurisdictions):

It is important to note that

  1. Nonprofit entities are listed

  2. The search is not case sensitive

  3. Inactive entities are listed along with the active ones

  4. The search has no difficulty finding matches of very small nonprofits in less populated countries (which is what the 6th entry is—see below)

  5. The search encompasses the fields “company name” and “other names”

  6. The only entry that might match the one mentioned in the International Cenacle document is the Australian one, listed last.

The Divine Fiat Incorporated, with ABN (Australian Business Number) 20107012384, has a governing document that can be viewed here. The “responsible people” listed are Catherine Batten, Lorna Lyons, Peter Dwyer and Xavier Crimmins (see here). “The role of a 'Responsible Person' is an important one for registered charities. Generally, a charity's Responsible People are its board or committee members, or trustees.” It was first registered in 20 February 2020.

Could this be the same entity mentioned in the International Cenacle Document? Recall that page 3 of the later version of the document says:

In service agreement with and pursuant to art. 8 of the Constitution of The Divine Fiat Inc and to chapter 4 of the Missionaries of the Holy Trinity Inc. Statutes, the “International Cenacle of Divine Will Instructors” remains at the service of the Church to help ensure, through theological contributions and personal witness, sound instructions on Luisa’s writings, several of which enjoy multiple Magisterial seals of approbation, the Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat.

So let’s see if we can find an article 8 of the constitution of this entity, and see whether things fit. The governing document (found here) has five parts. The first two parts have 12 numbered sections in total (see below). [Part 3 is “The commitee”, Part 4 is “General meetings”, Part 5 is “Miscellaneous”.]

  1. Definitions

  2. Membership generally

  3. Application for membership

  4. Cessation of membership

  5. Membership entitlements not transferable

  6. Resignation of membership

  7. Register of members

  8. Fees and subscriptions

  9. Members’ liabilities

  10. Resolution of disputes

  11. Disciplining of members

  12. Right of appeal of disciplined member.

Section 8 reads as follows:

8 Fees and subscriptions

(1) A member of the association must, on admission to membership, pay to the association a fee of $1 or, if some other amount is determined by the committee, that other amount.

(2) In addition to any amount payable by the member under subclause (1), a member of the association must pay to the association an annual membership fee of $2 or, if some other amount is determined by the committee, that other amount:

(a) except as provided by paragraph (b), before the first day of the financial year of the association in each calendar year, or

(b) if the member becomes a member on or after the first day of the financial year of the association in any calendar year—on becoming a member and before the first day of the financial year of the association in each succeeding calendar year.

Let’s see if things makes sense if we assume that the International Cenacle document refers to this Section 8. Accordingly I have inserted the underlined parenthetical note:

In service agreement with and pursuant to art. 8 of the Constitution of The Divine Fiat Inc [namely, the determination on Fees and Subscriptions requiring members to pay $1AU upon admission and $2AU every financial year of their membership] and to chapter 4 of the Missionaries of the Holy Trinity Inc. Statutes, the “International Cenacle of Divine Will Instructors” remains at the service of the Church to help ensure, through theological contributions and personal witness, sound instructions on Luisa’s writings, several of which enjoy multiple Magisterial seals of approbation, the Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat. To this end the International Cenacle has welcomed the Doctor of Sacred Theology of the Pontifical University of Rome who has translated Luisa’s writings contained in his approved doctoral dissertation, Fr. J.L. Iannuzzi, STL, S.Th.D. His expertise in the fields of dogmatic and spiritual theology will help enrich priests and laity alike. At present the International Cenacle of Divine Will Instructors has grown to approximately 3,000 members and 150 priests, all of whom foster a deep desire of fidelity to the Magisterium and of obedience to Church authorities. At this juncture we presently have several Church-qualified theologians and priests from various countries who have unified their time and talents to offer us instructions, but no lay instructors thus far. We foresee “qualified” lay instructors who are educated by the International Cenacle theologians and priests in Magisterial teachings and in Luisa’s doctrines and who are elected by the board. These will be sent out to teach the Good News throughout the world with translators at their disposal.

It doesn’t fit at all, does it? Now in the Preamble (Objectives and Purposes of the Assocation) found on page 6 of the governing document, we see the following:

The objectives of the Divine Fiat Inc. a not-for-profit incorporated entity, are to:

A. Live, promote and protect the writings and ideals of Luisa Piccarreta, The Little Daughter of the Divine Will (“Luisa”);

B. Present and distribute promotional material explaining the objectives and activities of The Divine Fiat, and wherever possible, all other such things that advance the purpose of the Divine Fiat;

C. To provide access to Divine Will writings and resources, ensuring that all teachings and promotions are faithful to Luisa’s Divine Will writings, to Sacred Scripture and Magisterial teaching;

D. To coach and guide Priests and lay-group cenacle leaders as facilitators and leaders in the evangelisation of the Divine Truths contained in Luisa’s writings;

E. To promote and foster new and existing Divine Will Cenacle Groups throughout Australia and New Zealand; and

F. To gather and disseminate authenticated Divine Will information.

It would make more sense if Fr Iannuzzi’s International Cenacle document had referred to objectives A to D (especially C and D). This is the closest thing in the governing document to the purpose of remaining “at the service of the Church to help ensure, through theological contributions and personal witness, sound instructions on Luisa’s writings, several of which enjoy multiple Magisterial seals of approbation, the Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat.” The fact that the only section in the governing document that resembles an “art. 8 of the Constitution” is a section on subscription fees, of all things (!)—combined with the fact that there is no reference to objectives A to D—makes it all but certain that this entity can’t be the “The Divine Fiat Inc.” we are looking for.

Moreoever, it is clear that The Divine Fiat Inc. that is registered in NSW, Australia, has no grand international design; it exists to “promote and foster new and existing Divine Will Cenacle Groups throughout Australia and New Zealand” and nowhere else. This is to be expected, given that its human resources include no employees, and exactly one volunteer (as I said, it is a very small entity).

Finally, if Fr Iannuzzi was referring to this Australian non-for-profit, what was stopping him from giving more information, such as the ABN?

By all appearances, then, “The Divine Fiat Inc” that the International Cenacle document refers to, does not exist.

Just to make sure, I tried another route. I searched opencorporates.com for “Joseph Iannuzzi” under “officers”. Thirteen items were found, two in Canada, the rest in the US:

The only entity associated with Fr Joseph L. Iannuzzi is ASSOCIATION OF PRIESTS, INC. Father Iannuzzi is listed as president and director of the primary nonprofit entity and agent of the one branch listed.

Triple Checking, Quadruple Checking …

All the other business searches turned out no matches for “The Divine Fiat” besides that one incorporated entity (the Australian one) in searches that cover Australia:

Searching for MISSIONARIES OF THE HOLY TRINITY INC.

Keep in mind that Fr Iannuzzi has referred to the Missionaries of the Holy Trinity since 2014 (if not earlier). Fr Iannuzzi is listed as a speaker at the 17th Annual Conference of the Saint Thomas Aquinas Society in 2014 in the Diocese of Colorado Springs.

https://stthomasaquinassociety.org/speakers/iannuzzi-joseph-l-father/

https://stthomasaquinassociety.org/conferences/17th-annual-conference/

“Fr. Joseph is the initiator of the Missionaries of the Holy Trinity Community devoted to the advancement of the Church’s mystical tradition and to the proper theological presentation of the mystical gift of Living in Gods Divine Will.” See here.

From this page on Fr Iannuzzi’s website it is clear that Missionaries of the Holy Trinity receives payments for publications and donations.

This is the order form that pops up when you click on the the pdf icon. The link is provided below.

https://www.ltdw.org/uploads/2/5/1/5/25153387/newsletter_order_form_-_8-5-14.pdf

There is proof that the “Missionaries of the Holy Trinity” has been receiving payments for years, in the United States (Rhode Island)—but who are they, exactly? Which individuals are members of these “Missionaries”? Is there a board? Who is on the board? Where are the financial statements? How is the money being used and where is the documentation for that—IRS Form 990? Where is the financial transparency? Why has this organisation never been registered as a nonprofit entity?

All the business searches mentioned turned out no matches for “Missionaries of the Holy Trinity”:

Take note of this important information about not-for-profits in the US, from https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/running-nonprofit/ethics-accountability/financial-transparency-and-public-disclosure-requirements :

As tax-exempt public charities, charitable nonprofits embrace the values of accountability and transparency as a matter of ethical leadership, as well as legal compliance.

Leaders of charitable nonprofits know that financial transparency will help preserve the important trust community members and donors place in a nonprofit. Additionally, and no less importantly, conduct that is accountable and transparent earns employees' trust and creates a positive workplace culture.

Earning trust through financial transparency and accountability goes beyond what the law requires, but let’s start there: nonprofits are required to disclose certain financial information to the public upon request, and board members must have access to financial information in order to fulfill their fiduciary duty to the nonprofit.

What must a nonprofit disclose to the public?

Tax-exempt nonprofits are required, upon request, to provide copies of the three most recently filed annual information returns (IRS Form 990) and the organization's application for tax-exemption (which includes correspondence between the organization and the IRS related to the application). To demonstrate a commitment to transparency and to make it easier for those seeking financial information to view these documents, many charitable nonprofits post these documents on their websites.

Learn more about the IRS public disclosure requirements.

Public disclosure of the Form 990-T (IRS)

Copies of IRS 990, 990-PF, 990-EZ, and 990-N returns for charitable nonprofits are available to the public on the IRS website. Forms 990-T filed by 501(c)(3) organizations are also available. (IRS)

https://queenofthedivinewill.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Mary-Co-Redemptrix-in-the-writings-of-Luisa-Piccarreta.pdf

In this document (toward the end) it says

To all friends and devoted followers of Luisa.

Most, if not all of you, have been receiving our newsletter for nearly 15 years. During this period, there have been 9 postage increases and 7 paper increases. While it remains our goal to continue to bring you the Church-approved teachings on the Divine Will at a very low cost, the paper and postage increases are necessitating an increase in the annual subscription fee. Beginning January of 2014, the annual Domestic Subscription fee will be $20.00 and the International Subscription fee will be $30.00. At present, we are renewing our website, frjoetalks.info, with updates including a Q&A forum with answers provided by Church theologians from Rome who possess a doctoral degree in the fields of Dogmatic and/or Mystical Theology; pages dedicated to the Rounds in Creation, to the Hours of the Passion, to the upcoming national and international Divine Will Retreats and Theological Seminars, to Guidelines for Divine Will Prayer Groups, etc. Last but not least, we are planning a 2014 pilgrimage to Europe. We wish to spend one week in Europe visiting the famous shrines of your choice. In our desire to accommodate you, we kindly ask you to circle below the season, country and sites you wish to visit. Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi, STD, Ph.D. continues to remember all MHT members and subscribers in Masses celebrated from the altars of Rome. We thank you for your continued support.

May God bless you, MHT Board Members

So there is a board. But who is on the board?

We know that Fr Iannuzzi has referred to Missionaries of the Holy Trinity Inc since August 31, 2024 at the latest—and indeed, that he publically dated the document in which he refers to this entity as March 7, 2024.

Why did Father Iannuzzi suddenly begin referring to the Missionaries of the Holy Trinity as an incorporated entity in March/August of 2024, yet there are still no public records of an entity with this name? From August 2024 until now (March 9, 2025) there are 7 months. That is more than enough to time for searchable systems to update and include this new incorporated entity. Two or three weeks is more than enough.

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Important update to this post on March 11, 2025. It turns out that Fr Iannuzzi had already referred to “Missionaries of the Holy Trinity Inc.” in two of his books in 2004 (The Splendor of Creation) and 2005 (Antichrist and the End Times), respectively. So from 2004 onwards he has been receiving payment under this (apparently non-existent) incorporated entity.

MORE INFORMATION TO FOLLOW.

I’ve said quite enough for this post. Catholics all around the world deserve answers from Fr Iannuzzi. Urgently!

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If there are any inaccuracies of fact in this report, and this can be demonstrated to me, I will amend the report. If Fr Iannuzzi or anybody representing any of the organisations/entities reported on here would like to come forward with clarifying information or context, I will gladly post it.

Dr Brendan Triffett

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